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by Jay Guin Before we delve into falling away as described in Gal 5:4, we need to address a lingering question, which I call the “mortal sin problem.” You see, for a quarter century or more, every time I’ve taught grace as I understand it, someone raises the question, “But if we are saved by [...]

[Even though Mac and Phil have left the field of play, we'll continue to post here, at least until we've fully set forth our case. And we may toss in a few additional posts now and again, in hopes that we can keep the conversation going in the comments.] Centuries ago, the best scientists believed [...]

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by Jay Guin We should begin by saying how much we appreciate Greg, Phil, and Mac for participating in this conversation to this point. We believe that the effort has greatly clarified the positions of those on both sides. And we greatly appreciate the readers for sticking with us. GraceConversation has been rated the fourth [...]

[I received this email from Mac. I asked for and received permission to post it here. I've also been notified by Phil that he is withdrawing from the conversation due to lack of time. -- Jay Guin] Dear Todd and Jay, It is pointless to continue the back and forth correspondence. I am glad that [...]

Dear readers, Please take a fresh look at the post New Policy on Comments from several weeks ago. I must commend the readers for the tone of the comments. Since that post, the tone of the conversation has dramatically improved, and it’s greatly appreciated. However, many comments remain off subject. It’s partly my fault, because [...]

by Jay Guin Todd and I have said what we planned to say, but this is a difficult stopping point, because there are so many more Biblical teachings that we’d love to share with Phil, Mac, and the readers. We’ve not covered falling away as described in Galatians 5. We’ve not touched on Romans 8 [...]

by Todd Deaver How can salvation be by faith and not works, and yet works be the necessary consequence of salvation? It’s clear from many of Dad’s remarks that Jay and I have failed to communicate to him our understanding about the relationship among faith, works, and obedience. So here we want to try to [...]

by Todd Deaver One of Dad’s True/False questions to us was, “Obedience to Christ is essential to salvation.” We answered, True, if obedience is properly understood. Perfect obedience is not essential to salvation. Dad objects to this answer in his response: Regarding obedience to Christ being essential to salvation, Todd and Jay say that such [...]

by Jay Guin Now let’s compare what these passages teach to the stated position of the conservative advocates. * Notice how all three books speak expansively of salvation being a continuous state of being — not an occasional, off and on sort of thing. Those who walk in the light have their sins continuously purified. [...]