Archive for July 2009

What the Bible actually says about apostasy: 1 John and Walking in the Light, Chapters 1 – 2

July 15, 2009

by Jay Guin The theme of 1 John is repeatedly stated in the book. John writes to tell his readers how to tell whether they are saved — and he writes with confidence that they are. Over and over, John draws a line — if you’re on this side of the line, you’re saved; if [...]

What the Bible actually says about apostasy: Introduction

July 15, 2009

by Jay Guin If you think about it, it’s astonishing how far apart the conservative and progressive positions are given how much we agree on. We agree — That Christians must be penitent and obedient. That Christians who are insufficiently penitent or obedient can lose their salvation. The question on which we disagree is just [...]

The Incoherence of the Conservative Position, Part 2

July 13, 2009

by Jay Guin It’s time to take a position At the beginning of our dialogue, Greg and Phil agreed to begin by stating their position on apostasy and then defending it. Months later, we don’t have even a statement of a position — other than the one we wrote, that Greg and Phil agreed to [...]

The Incoherence of the Conservative Position, Part 1

July 13, 2009

by Jay Guin and Todd Deaver It appears to us that the position of our conservative friends is logically incoherent — so much so that it can’t even be plainly stated. By referring to the conservative position as “incoherent,” we mean that it doesn’t cohere — it doesn’t hold together. Rather, the conservative advocates find [...]

Introduction to the Next Series of Posts by Todd and Jay

July 13, 2009

by Jay Guin and Todd Deaver Mac’s recent series of posts raises a host of questions that beg for answers. However, to go through each point and fully answer each one would severely test that patience of both our readers and our correspondents. And so, for now, we want to focus on a few points [...]

Mac’s Response To Todd’s And Jay’s Answers, Part 4

July 1, 2009

Response to Jay’s and Todd’s Post Concerning Repentance by Mac Deaver Now let us consider Jay’s and Todd’s most recent post concerning repentance. First, Jay and Todd find fault with the concept that (1) if there is no cessation of the sin, then there is no repentance of it, and that (2) repentance must be [...]

Mac’s Response To Todd’s And Jay’s Answers, Part 3

July 1, 2009

Mac’s Answers to Jay’s and Todd’s Questions by Mac Deaver Now we turn to their new questions for us: 1. Yes, as for me, I will accept your summation as adequate for our discussion. On the summation itself Phil offers the following: I object to the statement: “Not all doctrinal error damns.” I rather affirm, [...]

Mac’s Response To Todd’s And Jay’s Answers, Part 2

July 1, 2009

Mac’s Response to Todd’s and Jay’s Summary by Mac Deaver Now we go to their summary: They suggest that their “conservative friends” want it both ways but cannot have it both ways. They say that we admit that all Christians continue to sin and need grace and do, in fact, receive forgiveness. But we also [...]

Mac’s Response To Todd’s And Jay’s Answers: Part 1

July 1, 2009

Jay’s and Todd’s Answers to Mac’s Questions by Mac Deaver T  F 1. You say that the statement “Obedience to Christ is a type of work (Jno.6:29; Heb.5:8, 9; Eph.2:10) is not precise enough to answer either true or false. You claim that there is “sharp distinction” between (1) obedient acts done in order to [...]


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