Comments on: Faith, Works, and Obedience

By: Ken Sublett

Ken Sublett — Sat, 22 Oct 2011 01:24:31 +0000

Justification does not mean salvation: a justified person is one who is ceremonially qualified to appeal to God to give him a good conscience or A holy spirit. Peter was told that even pigs were purified by “the faith of Jesus Christ.” I may be the best lawyer in the world but I do not have the standing to make a request to the Supreme Court. A citizen had to have the standing to appeal to the courts of that time and ask that his sentence be commuted.

Acts 10:35 But in every nation
he that feareth him,
and worketh righteousness,
is accepted with him.

Liddell and Scott
Dikai-ôma , atos, to, act of right, opp. adikêma, prop. amendment of a wrong, opp. dikaiopragêma,
b. justification, plea of right, c. pl., pleadings, documents in a suit, etc.; also, credentials

dikai-ōsis , eōs, h(,
A. setting right, doing justice to: hence,
1. condemnation, punishment, Th.8.66, D.C.40.43 (pl.), cj. in Plu.2.421d.
2. plea of legal right, justification, Lys.9.8, cf. Harp.
3. making or accounting righteous, justification, Ep.Rom.4.25, etc.
II. demand of right or as of right, just claim, Th.1.141, Plu.Demetr.18.
III. judgement of what is right, antēllaxan tē dikaiōsei altered at their will and pleasure, Th.3.82.

But, Peter told Cornelius what to do to be “saved”: be baptized.

We are washed in water INTO the Word or into the School of Jesus Christ. He was identified as a SON only after he had been baptized as an act of submission.

By: Ken Sublett

Ken Sublett — Sat, 22 Oct 2011 01:13:22 +0000

Peter says that “Baptism saves.” The reason baptism saves is according to Peter is our way of REQUESTING from God A good conscience or A holy spirit. That is conversion (2 Cor 3) which permits the baptized to read black text on brown paper.

We are washed with water INTO THE WORD or into the School of Jesus Christ.

By: snake

snake — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 02:35:10 +0000

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By: MFearghail

MFearghail — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:50:28 +0000

A father has two sons. The father loves his sons. He does so much for them, and he expects faithful obedience, knowing that they will not be perfect. Both sons desire to honor and obey their father.

The first son feels inadequate constantly, thinking that he is not obeying well enough, even though he tries hard. He is unhappy.

The second son knows that he is inadequate, despite his every effort to honor and obey his father, but due his understanding of his father’s love, he finds immense joy in serving his father.

Which son understands his father’s love and grace?

By: Harold Scott

Harold Scott — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:35:16 +0000

I just found this discussion and after reading all the posts have this observation. Good works are essential to growth in knowing God. Obedience to the revealed will of God in scripture produces maturity and growth. Knowing God will be incomplete if we disobey the Spirit’s law (rules,commands) for they mature our faith and love of God as faith is tested by obedience. We can not begin to know God as love until we undertake to love as He loves. I believe knowing God to be the emphasis of all scripture and even nature. (John 17:1-5)

By: randall

randall — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:39:20 +0000

Ed,
If faith were received as a gift rather than a condition that must be met in order to receive the gift then one might view it differently. And if the quality of that faith was such that it led to repentence and devotion to the giver then the gift would be unconditional. Sometimes people understand coming to faith in such a way as to make it meritorious. (I met the condition therefore I received the gift; but the other guy did not meet the condition therefore he did not receive the gift. Receiving the gift was DEPENDENT upon meeting the condition.) If that is the case then the gift is not completely free, just relatively inexpensive.
Peace,
Randall

By: Ed Boggess

Ed Boggess — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:51:27 +0000

Randall, faith and repentance are conditions that must be met. You may not believe that it is a “free gift” unless there are no conditions, but salvation is a gift, it is free, it is based on grace and there are conditions.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 02:36:15 +0000

Jay, I ran short on time and wasn’t able to get my point across, here is my point.

I was responding to your implication that Calvin started the Reformation. Luther started the Reformation years before Calvin ever left the legalism of the Catholic Church during the 1500′s.

John Calvin left the Catholic Church in 1530, Luther left the Catholic Church in 1517 starting the Reformation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin