Comments on: What the Bible actually says about apostasy: Hebrews, Penitence, and Rebellion http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/15/what-the-bible-actually-says-about-apostasy-hebrews-penitence-and-rebellion/ GraceConversation.com Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:24:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: The Fork in the Road: A Reply to John, Part 1 (Regarding Hebrews 10) « One In Jesus.info http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/15/what-the-bible-actually-says-about-apostasy-hebrews-penitence-and-rebellion/#comment-3433 The Fork in the Road: A Reply to John, Part 1 (Regarding Hebrews 10) « One In Jesus.info Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:11:52 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=331#comment-3433 [...] What the Bible actually says about apostasy: Hebrews, Penitence, and Rebellion, by Jay Guin [...] [...] What the Bible actually says about apostasy: Hebrews, Penitence, and Rebellion, by Jay Guin [...]

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]]> By: Getting In, Staying In, Getting Out — Bible Journey Day 6 « Fumbling Towards Eternity http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/15/what-the-bible-actually-says-about-apostasy-hebrews-penitence-and-rebellion/#comment-2696 Getting In, Staying In, Getting Out — Bible Journey Day 6 « Fumbling Towards Eternity Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:14:11 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=331#comment-2696 [...] things the Bible actually says will destroy our relationship with the One True God. Here’s a post from Jay Guin from the Grace Conversation site – it exceeds even his usual excellent standards! All I would add [...] [...] things the Bible actually says will destroy our relationship with the One True God. Here’s a post from Jay Guin from the Grace Conversation site – it exceeds even his usual excellent standards! All I would add [...]

]]> By: Royce http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/15/what-the-bible-actually-says-about-apostasy-hebrews-penitence-and-rebellion/#comment-1941 Royce Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:54:59 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=331#comment-1941 Nick, If you are saved you are a son. How exactly would you go about undoing sonship? You have been born again. Is there a way to reverse birth? God planned the redemption of sinners before he created the earth and everything in it and on it. He has perfect knowledge so, would you say God knows is a fellow will be faithful "before" he give him eternal life? God's knowing, God's election, never violates man's choice. Christians are not "free" in the sense you are talking about. We are slaves who have surrendered our wills to his will. Royce Nick,

If you are saved you are a son. How exactly would you go about undoing sonship? You have been born again. Is there a way to reverse birth?

God planned the redemption of sinners before he created the earth and everything in it and on it. He has perfect knowledge so, would you say God knows is a fellow will be faithful “before” he give him eternal life?

God’s knowing, God’s election, never violates man’s choice. Christians are not “free” in the sense you are talking about. We are slaves who have surrendered our wills to his will.

Royce

]]> By: nick gill http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/15/what-the-bible-actually-says-about-apostasy-hebrews-penitence-and-rebellion/#comment-1939 nick gill Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:47:36 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=331#comment-1939 So when those words were used in the Hebrew Scriptures, they could be conditional, but when they're used in the Greek Scriptures, they somehow become unconditional? I do not believe it. God will force no one to continue trusting Him. A soldier in the kingdom of God is free to commit treason. If not, we're not free at all. So when those words were used in the Hebrew Scriptures, they could be conditional, but when they’re used in the Greek Scriptures, they somehow become unconditional? I do not believe it.

God will force no one to continue trusting Him. A soldier in the kingdom of God is free to commit treason. If not, we’re not free at all.

]]> By: Royce Ogle http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/15/what-the-bible-actually-says-about-apostasy-hebrews-penitence-and-rebellion/#comment-1825 Royce Ogle Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:13:48 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=331#comment-1825 The reason people are lost is that upon hearing the truth about Jesus and His work for sinners "they keep on sinning". Jesus himself confirmed this by saying that those who refuse to come to the light do so "because their deeds are evil". "perfected forever" and, "once for all time" is not unlike "never die", "eternal" and "shall not come into condemnation" spoken by Jesus. All of these words have real meanings and and are to be trusted. No other teaching of the Bible cancels them out. Ours is a perfect salvation that rests wholly upon Jesus Christ and as you correctly reasoned, we can't die unless he dies. The reason is that He himself is our life! Royce The reason people are lost is that upon hearing the truth about Jesus and His work for sinners “they keep on sinning”. Jesus himself confirmed this by saying that those who refuse to come to the light do so “because their deeds are evil”.

“perfected forever” and, “once for all time” is not unlike “never die”, “eternal” and “shall not come into condemnation” spoken by Jesus. All of these words have real meanings and and are to be trusted. No other teaching of the Bible cancels them out.

Ours is a perfect salvation that rests wholly upon Jesus Christ and as you correctly reasoned, we can’t die unless he dies. The reason is that He himself is our life!

Royce

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