Comments on: Mac’s Response To Todd’s And Jay’s Answers, Part 4 http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/01/mac%e2%80%99s-response-to-todd%e2%80%99s-and-jay%e2%80%99s-answers-part-4/ GraceConversation.com Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:12:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Alan http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/01/mac%e2%80%99s-response-to-todd%e2%80%99s-and-jay%e2%80%99s-answers-part-4/#comment-1816 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:01:13 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=287#comment-1816 The above was posted in reply to Laymond’s July 15, 2009 at 10:25 AM post.

]]> By: Alan http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/01/mac%e2%80%99s-response-to-todd%e2%80%99s-and-jay%e2%80%99s-answers-part-4/#comment-1815 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:59:31 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=287#comment-1815 I can imagine Jesus in heaven looking at God, shaking his head in amazement that these guys would quarrel about this. Let’s go find someone with some needs and try to meet them. That would be a much better use of our energy.

]]> By: laymond http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/01/mac%e2%80%99s-response-to-todd%e2%80%99s-and-jay%e2%80%99s-answers-part-4/#comment-1813 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:25:07 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=287#comment-1813 Royce, lets take the first you quoted,—— …the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14

how does that reconcile with what you said earlier—-quote–”and Jesus is God”

Mt:12:17: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
Mt:12:18: Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Who sent who, to do what?

]]> By: Royce http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/01/mac%e2%80%99s-response-to-todd%e2%80%99s-and-jay%e2%80%99s-answers-part-4/#comment-1811 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:12:01 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=287#comment-1811 Laymond,

You mean like the way you ignore these and dozens of others?

…the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14

…our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 3:18

…God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 1:1

…the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42

…the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus 1:4

a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11

Neither is there salvation in any other (than Jesus): for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
–Acts 4:12

]]> By: laymond http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/01/mac%e2%80%99s-response-to-todd%e2%80%99s-and-jay%e2%80%99s-answers-part-4/#comment-1809 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:02:27 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=287#comment-1809 Royce, I see you skip Luke 22:42 also

]]> By: Royce http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/01/mac%e2%80%99s-response-to-todd%e2%80%99s-and-jay%e2%80%99s-answers-part-4/#comment-1808 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:55:03 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=287#comment-1808 …and Jesus is God

]]> By: laymond http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/01/mac%e2%80%99s-response-to-todd%e2%80%99s-and-jay%e2%80%99s-answers-part-4/#comment-1807 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:52:02 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=287#comment-1807 Alan, now you know how I feel when God is left out of the mix, (we are Totally dependent on what Jesus did for us), NO we are Totally dependent on GOD the FATHER, who gave us his ONLY SON so that we might be saved. “THE LAMB OF GOD” when you read the bible do you just skip. Lk:22:42: Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
God set forth the plan, God followed the plan, God is not only the Father of mankind, God is the savior of mankind. all glory belongs to God the Father. seems I have heard that somewhere.

]]> By: Keith Brenton http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/01/mac%e2%80%99s-response-to-todd%e2%80%99s-and-jay%e2%80%99s-answers-part-4/#comment-1804 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:49:28 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=287#comment-1804 Actually, I do teach this text as a part of God’s plan to save us from self and sin, tempered by Luke 12:33. It clearly communicates the kind of generous, compassionate lives that followers of Christ should live. And it foreshadows the ultimate generosity of Jesus in giving Himself for us on the cross.

]]> By: Alan http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/01/mac%e2%80%99s-response-to-todd%e2%80%99s-and-jay%e2%80%99s-answers-part-4/#comment-1803 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:27:17 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=287#comment-1803 The scriptures call both Jesus and God our savior. Arguing about which it is, to me, is meaningless. I’m perplexed that this is even a topic of dispute.

]]> By: laymond http://graceconversation.com/2009/07/01/mac%e2%80%99s-response-to-todd%e2%80%99s-and-jay%e2%80%99s-answers-part-4/#comment-1798 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:26:25 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=287#comment-1798 Alan, I do believe I have heard this statement from both you and Royce.

“We are totally dependent on what Jesus did for us.”

I know what I am asking for when I say we should reconsider, who did what.

Jn:3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Heb:5:5: So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Lk:22:42: Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
43: And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

No, I am not belittling the part Jesus, the Son of God played in this saga, the horrible suffering he endured in order to make the prophesy come to reality, and obey his father, but God the Father is the savior of mankind, through his sacrifice of his only begotten Son.
I have no knowledge whether either of you have a son, I do and it would be a much greater sacrifice for me to give my son, than myself. Jesus was the lamb of God, God was the giver of the sacrifice.

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