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	<title>Comments on: Response to Mac’s View of Repentance</title>
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		<title>By: anglhugnu2</title>
		<link>http://graceconversation.com/2009/06/23/response-to-mac%e2%80%99s-view-of-repentance/#comment-1688</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well....I guess I did get a tad wordy!  :-)  Sorry....a bad moment of illeration!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;.I guess I did get a tad wordy!  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Sorry&#8230;.a bad moment of illeration!</p>
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		<title>By: Royce Ogle</title>
		<link>http://graceconversation.com/2009/06/23/response-to-mac%e2%80%99s-view-of-repentance/#comment-1685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Royce Ogle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AngllHugnU2,

Are you speaking in a secret code? I have no idea what you just said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AngllHugnU2,</p>
<p>Are you speaking in a secret code? I have no idea what you just said.</p>
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		<title>By: AngllHugnU2</title>
		<link>http://graceconversation.com/2009/06/23/response-to-mac%e2%80%99s-view-of-repentance/#comment-1682</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AngllHugnU2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am always amused at the dialogue we Christians share with each other about sin.  We spend so much time trying to define what essentially is a lie. Sin is a lie. The more time you spend chatting about what the darn subject the more real the belief to participate in its absence of love.

I know...I know...the outcomes of sin seem so painfully real. Most acts of delusion will always result in pain, sadness, and confusion.  If you think about it...slamming your head against the wall believing the wall will move is exactly what little life there is in believing sin to be a truth to be followed. That essentially is what makes living or even spending time debating its place in our being a real Christian or not simple folley.

Ultimately, we all come to a moment where we say in one way shape or form...&quot;there has got to be a better way of living our life.&quot;  In this moment, we have become more willing to touch the real, the honest, the true, and authentic creatures of love blessed to be so by God.  

If we are genuine about finding an answer we will watch the fog of our delusional behavior fade and see before our eyes a path for us to follow. Our vision at that point is inspired by the God who lives within around above below and through every cell of our being. Most everyone believes this means we to be gods. Those who choose to listen carefully come to accept, understand, and appreciate the meaning of this reality to be God is closer to us than we give The Father credit.

So, debate sin...as if it were a sport, a game, an exercise of your magnificent will....BUT, choose to know such talk she pale in comparison to the value your life has to enhancing public welfare and the individual search we all have to know God better deeper and more intimately.

Thanks.

AngllHugnU2
Author of IM with God]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am always amused at the dialogue we Christians share with each other about sin.  We spend so much time trying to define what essentially is a lie. Sin is a lie. The more time you spend chatting about what the darn subject the more real the belief to participate in its absence of love.</p>
<p>I know&#8230;I know&#8230;the outcomes of sin seem so painfully real. Most acts of delusion will always result in pain, sadness, and confusion.  If you think about it&#8230;slamming your head against the wall believing the wall will move is exactly what little life there is in believing sin to be a truth to be followed. That essentially is what makes living or even spending time debating its place in our being a real Christian or not simple folley.</p>
<p>Ultimately, we all come to a moment where we say in one way shape or form&#8230;&#8221;there has got to be a better way of living our life.&#8221;  In this moment, we have become more willing to touch the real, the honest, the true, and authentic creatures of love blessed to be so by God.  </p>
<p>If we are genuine about finding an answer we will watch the fog of our delusional behavior fade and see before our eyes a path for us to follow. Our vision at that point is inspired by the God who lives within around above below and through every cell of our being. Most everyone believes this means we to be gods. Those who choose to listen carefully come to accept, understand, and appreciate the meaning of this reality to be God is closer to us than we give The Father credit.</p>
<p>So, debate sin&#8230;as if it were a sport, a game, an exercise of your magnificent will&#8230;.BUT, choose to know such talk she pale in comparison to the value your life has to enhancing public welfare and the individual search we all have to know God better deeper and more intimately.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>AngllHugnU2<br />
Author of IM with God</p>
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		<title>By: Weldon</title>
		<link>http://graceconversation.com/2009/06/23/response-to-mac%e2%80%99s-view-of-repentance/#comment-1589</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Weldon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The account of engaged couple was a superb illustration of your point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The account of engaged couple was a superb illustration of your point.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[laymond-have you ever drown, most of your children, or called down fire upon them, for disobedience

laymond, God drowned people who He gave years to come to Him and wouldn&#039;t and Elijah called on God to bring down fire on people who horrifically sacrificed babies on false idols who He also gave many chances to come to Him.

Luke 9:51-56 “Now it came to pass, when the time had come for Him to be received up, that He steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem, and sent messengers before His face. And as they went, they entered a village of the Samaritans, to prepare for Him. But they did not receive Him, because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem. And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, &quot;Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?&quot; But He turned and rebuked them, and said, &quot;You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men&#039;s lives but to save them.&quot; And they went to another village.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>laymond-have you ever drown, most of your children, or called down fire upon them, for disobedience</p>
<p>laymond, God drowned people who He gave years to come to Him and wouldn&#8217;t and Elijah called on God to bring down fire on people who horrifically sacrificed babies on false idols who He also gave many chances to come to Him.</p>
<p>Luke 9:51-56 “Now it came to pass, when the time had come for Him to be received up, that He steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem, and sent messengers before His face. And as they went, they entered a village of the Samaritans, to prepare for Him. But they did not receive Him, because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem. And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, &#8220;Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?&#8221; But He turned and rebuked them, and said, &#8220;You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men&#8217;s lives but to save them.&#8221; And they went to another village.”</p>
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		<title>By: laymond</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[laymond]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Royce said, &quot;Why would we expect God — who loves us more than we love our own children — to judge more harshly?”
Maybe because he has already proven &quot;the wrath of God&quot; can be a pretty harsh judgment. have you ever drown, most of your children, or called down fire upon them, for disobedience, Royce I wouldn&#039;t try to judge God by man&#039;s standards. If you had your only son hanging on a cross would you not get him down. God is strong, man is weak, just that simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Royce said, &#8220;Why would we expect God — who loves us more than we love our own children — to judge more harshly?”<br />
Maybe because he has already proven &#8220;the wrath of God&#8221; can be a pretty harsh judgment. have you ever drown, most of your children, or called down fire upon them, for disobedience, Royce I wouldn&#8217;t try to judge God by man&#8217;s standards. If you had your only son hanging on a cross would you not get him down. God is strong, man is weak, just that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Dusty Chris</title>
		<link>http://graceconversation.com/2009/06/23/response-to-mac%e2%80%99s-view-of-repentance/#comment-1574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dusty Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great point Wendy and Keith.  It&#039;s back to the &quot;Pull the log out of your own eye&quot; thing.  It is so easy to judge others for the things they are doing that we aren&#039;t doing, and for the things others aren&#039;t doing that we are doing.  But even the most righteous (or self righteous) among us will find it impossible to keep the law (all of it) even for an hour straight (because even if we think we can, then we are prideful).  Thank God for grace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point Wendy and Keith.  It&#8217;s back to the &#8220;Pull the log out of your own eye&#8221; thing.  It is so easy to judge others for the things they are doing that we aren&#8217;t doing, and for the things others aren&#8217;t doing that we are doing.  But even the most righteous (or self righteous) among us will find it impossible to keep the law (all of it) even for an hour straight (because even if we think we can, then we are prideful).  Thank God for grace.</p>
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		<title>By: Royce Ogle</title>
		<link>http://graceconversation.com/2009/06/23/response-to-mac%e2%80%99s-view-of-repentance/#comment-1571</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Royce Ogle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Many of us have children. We consider our children faithful, obedient children even though they are not yet perfect in their understanding of our will — or perfect in their obedience to our will even when they understand it correctly. Rather, we judge our children by the overall direction of their lives and the submissiveness of their hearts. Why would we expect God — who loves us more than we love our own children — to judge more harshly?&quot;

Is this how God determines who is and is not saved? No, it is not. Salvation is &quot;the gift of God&quot;, not earned, not deserved, and based soley upon the perfect life and perfect offering of that life to God on behalf of wicked sinners. There is NO other salvation no matter how perfectly a person complies with coC practices. We are either saved by trusting Christ or we are not saved at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many of us have children. We consider our children faithful, obedient children even though they are not yet perfect in their understanding of our will — or perfect in their obedience to our will even when they understand it correctly. Rather, we judge our children by the overall direction of their lives and the submissiveness of their hearts. Why would we expect God — who loves us more than we love our own children — to judge more harshly?&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this how God determines who is and is not saved? No, it is not. Salvation is &#8220;the gift of God&#8221;, not earned, not deserved, and based soley upon the perfect life and perfect offering of that life to God on behalf of wicked sinners. There is NO other salvation no matter how perfectly a person complies with coC practices. We are either saved by trusting Christ or we are not saved at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Brenton</title>
		<link>http://graceconversation.com/2009/06/23/response-to-mac%e2%80%99s-view-of-repentance/#comment-1553</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Brenton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wendy points out something important: We don&#039;t make the sins she cites into tests of fellowship.

We only do that with &quot;Somebody Else&#039;s Sin&quot; - divorce, doctrinal error, homosexual attraction, etc.

We don&#039;t call others down in the &quot;brotherhood papers&quot; (or Web sites) for greed, envy, indolence, racial bigotry or lust. We don&#039;t condemn churches which have never/rarely assisted the poor, helped widows or orphans in their desperation, or sent support for victims of natural disasters. We don&#039;t write up folks who don&#039;t sell their possessions and give to the poor, meet daily with glad hearts, have all things in common so that none among them has a need, or dine together in their homes.

Why is that?

And what does it say about the motivations of our hearts when we do?

Here&#039;s what scripture says about it: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=49&amp;chapter=10&amp;verse=29&amp;version=31&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Luke 10:29&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2018:9-14;&amp;version=31;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;18:9-14&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy points out something important: We don&#8217;t make the sins she cites into tests of fellowship.</p>
<p>We only do that with &#8220;Somebody Else&#8217;s Sin&#8221; &#8211; divorce, doctrinal error, homosexual attraction, etc.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t call others down in the &#8220;brotherhood papers&#8221; (or Web sites) for greed, envy, indolence, racial bigotry or lust. We don&#8217;t condemn churches which have never/rarely assisted the poor, helped widows or orphans in their desperation, or sent support for victims of natural disasters. We don&#8217;t write up folks who don&#8217;t sell their possessions and give to the poor, meet daily with glad hearts, have all things in common so that none among them has a need, or dine together in their homes.</p>
<p>Why is that?</p>
<p>And what does it say about the motivations of our hearts when we do?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what scripture says about it: <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=49&amp;chapter=10&amp;verse=29&amp;version=31&amp;context=verse" rel="nofollow">Luke 10:29</a>; <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2018:9-14;&amp;version=31;" rel="nofollow">18:9-14</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am wondering how many mature Christians are guilty of pride, selfishness, covetousness, gluttony.  What chance do new Christians have if we are expected to be able to master and cease all sin on conversion?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am wondering how many mature Christians are guilty of pride, selfishness, covetousness, gluttony.  What chance do new Christians have if we are expected to be able to master and cease all sin on conversion?</p>
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