Comments on: Exegesis of Texts Cited in “Proposition One Response from Phil”, Part 1 http://graceconversation.com/2009/04/26/exegesis-of-texts-cited-in-proposition-one-response-from-phil-part-1/ GraceConversation.com Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:12:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: The Fork in the Road: Definitions: “Faith,” Part 2 « One In Jesus.info http://graceconversation.com/2009/04/26/exegesis-of-texts-cited-in-proposition-one-response-from-phil-part-1/#comment-3758 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:00:49 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=166#comment-3758 [...] every verse and showed that not a single one stands for what he said it stands for. Not one. See Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3. Phil never [...]

]]> By: David P Himes http://graceconversation.com/2009/04/26/exegesis-of-texts-cited-in-proposition-one-response-from-phil-part-1/#comment-1220 Wed, 20 May 2009 12:57:55 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=166#comment-1220 It seems to me, that much of this debate centers on the ability of one person to know if another person is saved, or in a righteous relationship with God.

The position Phil & Greg take more clearly allows them to make such a judgment based upon human observation. While the position Todd & Jay take leaves that judgment to God.

Due, in part to the admonition that we will be judged using the same criteria with which we judge others, I choose to leave such judgment to God, desiring all the understanding, tolerance and forgiveness I can get.

]]> By: Ed Boggess http://graceconversation.com/2009/04/26/exegesis-of-texts-cited-in-proposition-one-response-from-phil-part-1/#comment-998 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:53:55 +0000 http://graceconversation.com/?p=166#comment-998 “Truth”. In Jn 8 Jesus told those who believed him to stay in his word. That is what a genuine disciple does. He told them “you will know the truth”. They were believers but not for long. Their prejudices immediately kicked in and they allowed themselves to be deceived: “We are Abraham’s descendants . . .”, “Abraham is our father”, “we were not born . . .” They misunderstood and consequently rejected what Jesus was teaching them: truth. Consequently these believers became “of your father the devil”. V 47 “He who is of God hears God’s words: therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God”. The problem is not whether truth is just facts about Jesus/ The problem is what is going on in one’s heart regarding hearing God.
True worshipers worship in spirit and truth. I believe it is Westcott who comments that in context this refers to the Samaritans, who worshiped in spirit but not in truth; and the Jews, who worshiped in truth but not in spirit. The woman had asked about Jerusalem and Mt Gerizim, a truth question. In context truth is not only Jesus teaching but worship that is authorized.
Acts 8 – Simon believed and was baptized along with other Samarians. When the apostle’s came and laid hands on them, Simon wanted to buy what they had. He misunderstood. He believed error. Peter told him to repent or he would perish with his money. Clearly it was an error that would cost him his soul. Why? The answer is given in v 21 “your heart is not right”. The key is not which error can we believe and get away with it. Any error can condemn. The key is what is going on in one’s heart and only God know the answer to that. Does this demand doctrinal perfection? No. It demands the desire for doctrinal perfection or better put, the desire to please God in every way.

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